Färg på T-34 och tysk halvbandare ?

[Johan Elisson]

Nej, faktiskt inte jag heller, det skulle vara intressant att få lite mer att läsa om förbudet. JAB?

/Johan

[B Hellqvist]

Ett par halvbandvagnar:

[Johan Elisson]

Angående kamouflage, denna sida behandlar ryskt sådant, och det står ingenting om att man 1942 förbjöd kamouflage, däremot står det en del olika målningar, varav "min" IS-2:a har den som noteras som "Green & Dark Earth & Dark Yellow".

/Johan

[J. Björkman]

- Did you have camouflaged vehicles in your unit?

- There were some, but I do not recall them. We had everything. In the winter we painted our tanks white in a mandatory scheme, either with whitewash or paint.

- Was permission required for installing camouflage? Did you need someone's authorization for painting any kind of slogans on the tank, for example, "Za rodinu" (For the Motherland), and so on?

- No, no kind of permission was required. This was your choice -you want to paint, you paint. If you didn't want to paint camouflage, you didn't paint. As far as the inscriptions are concerned, I believe that they had to be approved by the political representative. It was a sort of propaganda, a political statement.

- The Germans made widespread use of camouflage. Did it help them?

- Yes, it did help them. Sometimes it was crucial to them!

- Then why did you not do it?

- We lacked the materials. We did not have a large choice of colors. There was a protective color and we painted it. It took a lot of paint to cover a tank! If we had been able to obtain other colors, then perhaps we would have camouflaged our tanks. In general, there were many other tasks at hand, like repair, refueling, and so on.

The Germans were richer that we were. They not only had camouflage but they used zimmerit on their heavy tanks.

In addition, they hung track blocks on their heavy tanks. Sometimes it was quite effective! A round struck the track block and ricocheted off.

Detta citat är hämtat från Russian Battlefield, som Johan redan refererat till. Det är ett klipp ur en intervju med en veteran vid namn: Dmitriy Loza
Vet inte om det hjälper så mycket men lite intressant i varje fall

[JAB]

Min källa är från ett annat forum:

I actually have a translated Russian book here on camo and colouring during WW2 and to be honest I havnt yet seen a mod that uses what they describe as the 'standard' colour. It seems that the standard colour is actually a very dark green which almost looks black. If you start looking at WW2 photos of Russian tanks you can seen how this might be the case as they usually appear very very dark (though of course its hard to tell in B&W). It then goes on to say that there was variation due to different quality and mixes of paint, different factories producing it, etc.

[...]

Btw, just for the record according to this book I have here the Russians almost never used camo, which is why I included none . It was used on and off until, IIRC, mid 42 at which point it would no longer allowed (In fact it has a translation of the origional Russian documents stating as much).

Härifrån

Som framgår av battlefield.ru och annars också av avsaknaden av mera info om det dokumentet var det inte särskilt väl känt på fältet. Men som känt skickades ju otaliga ukaser från högkvarteren om allt mellan himmel och jord, medan verkligheten oftast såg helt annorlunda ut.

[JAB]

Här är en bra modellsida: http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/gallery_russia.htm

Kolla speciellt in:
http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/rus ... ilder.html
http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/russia/jbvt34.htm

Och här finns en noggrann genomgång av T-34:an, med bibliografi och allt: http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/ru ... /rpt34.htm

[Johan Elisson]

Min källa är från ett annat forum:

I actually have a translated Russian book here on camo and colouring during WW2 and to be honest I havnt yet seen a mod that uses what they describe as the 'standard' colour. It seems that the standard colour is actually a very dark green which almost looks black. If you start looking at WW2 photos of Russian tanks you can seen how this might be the case as they usually appear very very dark (though of course its hard to tell in B&W). It then goes on to say that there was variation due to different quality and mixes of paint, different factories producing it, etc.

[...]

Btw, just for the record according to this book I have here the Russians almost never used camo, which is why I included none . It was used on and off until, IIRC, mid 42 at which point it would no longer allowed (In fact it has a translation of the origional Russian documents stating as much).

Härifrån

Som framgår av battlefield.ru och annars också av avsaknaden av mera info om det dokumentet var det inte särskilt väl känt på fältet. Men som känt skickades ju otaliga ukaser från högkvarteren om allt mellan himmel och jord, medan verkligheten oftast såg helt annorlunda ut.

Intressant! Tack för att du delar med dig!

Så sanningen ligger alltså någonstans mellan vad vi sagt, officiellt var kamo-målning inte tillåten, ute på fältet visste knappt någon om det, vilket innebar att kamo-målning kunde förekomma långt efter 1942.

/Johan

[J. Björkman]

Appropå nått helt annat, vilken färg hade Valentine-tanksen på interiören? Är det någon som har bilder på en Valentine i rysk tjänst?

MVH Johan