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Günter Grass var med i Waffen-SS
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Günter Grass var med i Waffen-SS
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp? ... nderType=6Efter 61 år bryter författaren Günter Grass tystnaden. I en tidningsintervju berättar nobelpristagaren att han som 17-åring var frivillig i Waffen-SS. "Det måste komma ut, äntligen", säger 78-åringen.
Intervun publiceras i lördagens utgåva av den ansedda tyska tidningen Frankfurter Allgemeinen Zeitung.
Günter Grass kommer senare i höst ut med sina memoarer och ett kapitel handlar om hur han i krigets slutskede ansluter sig till den tionde pansardivisionen Frundsberg i Dresden.
Han säger att han ville komma bort från den trånga familjekretsen i Danzig och att nazisternas anti-borgerliga retorik utövade en stor dragningskraft på hela hans generation.
Hittills har det hetat att Grass blev inkallad till luftvärnet i slutet av kriget. I själva verket anmälde han sig som frivillig till ubåts-flottan redan som 15-åring, utan att bli antagen.
Två år senare hamnade han i Waffen-SS, Himmlers frivilliorganisation som enligt Grass vid den tidpunkten "tog alla som de fick".
Då hade han inga betänkligheter. Efteråt har han fått leva med skammen och han säger att i intervjun att sextio års tigande var ett av skälen till att han till sist måste berätta om hur det egentligen var.
Under efterkrigstiden var Grass aktiv i det socialdemokratiska partiet. 1999 fick han Nobelpriset i litteratur och hans mest kända bok är Blecktrumman från 1959. Där skildrar han nazismens framväxt sett ur en liten pojkes perspektiv.
För övrigt är det trist att även DN kallar Waffen-SS en "frivilliorganisation" med tanke på att Waffen-SS redan 1941 använde värnplikt för att fylla sina led (se t.ex. "Waffen-SS Encyclopedia" av Marc J. Rikmenspoel, sid 78).
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[quote="Marc J. Rikmenspoel, sidan 78 i "Waffen-SS Encyclopedia""]A partisan war developed in the former Yugoslavia by the end of 1941, so Himmler decided to raise a mountain division of ethnic Germans from the Serbian Banat. When only a few thousand volunteered, conscription was introduced. For the first time, the Waffen-SS included draftees.[/quote]
[quote="Marc J. Rikmenspoel, sidan 80 i "Waffen-SS Encyclopedia""]The supply of volunteers was largely exhausted during 1942, and the Waffen-SS, including its elite German divisions [...] then had to rely heavily on conscripts from ordinary German draft pools, just as did the Heer. It also became common for excess Luftwaffe and Navy personnel to be assigned to the Waffen-SS, without any say in the matter. The Hohenstaufen and Frundsberg Panzer Divisions, raised during 1943, were supposed to attain the same elite level as the "classic" divisions, yet included a majority of young German conscripts.[/quote]
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[quote="Marc J. Rikmenspoel, sidan 80 i "Waffen-SS Encyclopedia""]The supply of volunteers was largely exhausted during 1942, and the Waffen-SS, including its elite German divisions [...] then had to rely heavily on conscripts from ordinary German draft pools, just as did the Heer. It also became common for excess Luftwaffe and Navy personnel to be assigned to the Waffen-SS, without any say in the matter. The Hohenstaufen and Frundsberg Panzer Divisions, raised during 1943, were supposed to attain the same elite level as the "classic" divisions, yet included a majority of young German conscripts.[/quote]
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Så har även AFtonbladet snappat upp detta dock med rätt information:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/kultur/st ... 67,00.html
Nobelpristagaren Günter Grass ingick i Waffen-SS under andra världskriget.
Foto: KAI PFAFFENBACH/REUTERS
Berlin.
Nobelpristagaren Günter Grass ingick i sin ungdom, under andra världskriget, i Waffen-SS. Han avslöjar det själv i lördagens Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
Den i dag 78-årige Grass skriver också om saken i en memoarbok som ges ut i höst.
Fram till nu har det bara varit känt att författaren till Blecktrumman var inkallad i det tyska försvaret, inte att han tillhörde de militära förband som nazisterna inrättade vid sidan av Tysklands reguljära armé.
I memoarerna berättar Grass också att han försökte ta värvning i en ubåtsbesättning när han var 15 år, men att han nekades därför att han var för ung.
Till Waffen-SS, dit han inkallades ett år senare, sökte han inte frivilligt.
Grass, som i dag är vänsterdebattör och fredsaktivist, sårades 1945 och sändes till ett amerikanskt läger för krigsfångar.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/kultur/st ... 67,00.html
Nobelpristagaren Günter Grass ingick i Waffen-SS under andra världskriget.
Foto: KAI PFAFFENBACH/REUTERS
Berlin.
Nobelpristagaren Günter Grass ingick i sin ungdom, under andra världskriget, i Waffen-SS. Han avslöjar det själv i lördagens Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
Den i dag 78-årige Grass skriver också om saken i en memoarbok som ges ut i höst.
Fram till nu har det bara varit känt att författaren till Blecktrumman var inkallad i det tyska försvaret, inte att han tillhörde de militära förband som nazisterna inrättade vid sidan av Tysklands reguljära armé.
I memoarerna berättar Grass också att han försökte ta värvning i en ubåtsbesättning när han var 15 år, men att han nekades därför att han var för ung.
Till Waffen-SS, dit han inkallades ett år senare, sökte han inte frivilligt.
Grass, som i dag är vänsterdebattör och fredsaktivist, sårades 1945 och sändes till ett amerikanskt läger för krigsfångar.
Och lite från Der Spiegel med mera info bla vem han spelade tärning med i lägret...
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 53,00.html
NOBEL PRIZE AUTHOR GÜNTER GRASS
"I Was a Member of the SS"
Just weeks before the publication of his autobiography, German Nobel Laureate Günter Grass admits that, between 1944-95, he was a member of Hitler's Weapons SS. The author says the shame of his youthful naivety has long haunted him and that it will now be his "Scarlet Letter."
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German Nobel Laureate Günter Grass: "For me, the whole thing was always tied to this question: Could you have realized what was going one at the time?"
Only a few weeks before the publication of his autobiography, German author Günter Grass has revealed something about himself that has long been a secret: He was a member of Hitler's Weapons SS in 1944 and 1945. In an interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Grass owns up to his youthful naïveté and discusses the burden of this blemish on his past.
Grass's autobiography, due out in September, is titled "While Peeling the Onion." It unveils an explosive chapter in Günter Grass's life. Born in 1927 and winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize for Literature, Grass was also a member of the Weapons SS.
Grass talks about the issue in an interview appearing in tomorrow's edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), and in doing so makes a few corrections to the biographies that have been written to date about the author of "The Tin Drum" and many other works. Contrary to what was known about Grass in the past, he was not drafted in 1944 to serve in an anti-aircraft auxiliary unit. Instead, he was called up at the age of 17, when he was transferred from the Nazi labor service to the "Frundsberg" tank division, which was part of the Weapons SS.
When asked why he has taken so long to disclose his former membership in the SS, the writer responded: "It weighed heavily on my mind. My silence over all these years is one of the reasons I have written this book."
In the FAZ interview, the author says that although he volunteered for military service, "it was not for the Weapons SS, but for submarines, which was just as crazy." But the Nazis' submarine units had stopped accepting new recruits by then, whereas the Weapons SS, says Grass, was taking "whatever they could get" in 1944 and 1945, during the last few months of the war.
As the Nobel laureate recalls, "the fewer intact air fields there were, the more ground personnel was placed in army of Weapons SS units. It was the same situation in the navy." At first, says Grass, he saw the Weapons SS as an elite unit, and not as something "repulsive." It wasn't until later that he became plagued by feelings of guilt. "For me, the whole thing was always tied to this question: Could you have realized what was going one at the time?"
Grass says he has always known that the day would come when he would have to talk about this part of his past. Did he miss the right opportunity to discuss his SS membership? "I don't know," says the author and poet. "It's certainly the case that I believed that what I did as a writer was enough. After all, I went through my learning process and reached my own conclusions. But there was still this lingering blemish."
More amusing than sensational is Grass's recollection of a boy named Joseph, with whom he spent time in a prisoner-of-war camp. When asked whether this 17-year-old was in fact the man who became Pope Benedict XVI, Grass says: "He became my friend and we played dice together. I had managed to smuggle my dice shaker into the camp. (...) I wanted to be an artist and he was interested in a career in the church. He seemed a little shy, but he was a nice guy."
Like Grass, Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, was in fact imprisoned at Germany's Bad Aibling camp. Whether the Vatican will comment on Grass's recollections remains to be seen.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 53,00.html
NOBEL PRIZE AUTHOR GÜNTER GRASS
"I Was a Member of the SS"
Just weeks before the publication of his autobiography, German Nobel Laureate Günter Grass admits that, between 1944-95, he was a member of Hitler's Weapons SS. The author says the shame of his youthful naivety has long haunted him and that it will now be his "Scarlet Letter."
DPA
German Nobel Laureate Günter Grass: "For me, the whole thing was always tied to this question: Could you have realized what was going one at the time?"
Only a few weeks before the publication of his autobiography, German author Günter Grass has revealed something about himself that has long been a secret: He was a member of Hitler's Weapons SS in 1944 and 1945. In an interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Grass owns up to his youthful naïveté and discusses the burden of this blemish on his past.
Grass's autobiography, due out in September, is titled "While Peeling the Onion." It unveils an explosive chapter in Günter Grass's life. Born in 1927 and winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize for Literature, Grass was also a member of the Weapons SS.
Grass talks about the issue in an interview appearing in tomorrow's edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), and in doing so makes a few corrections to the biographies that have been written to date about the author of "The Tin Drum" and many other works. Contrary to what was known about Grass in the past, he was not drafted in 1944 to serve in an anti-aircraft auxiliary unit. Instead, he was called up at the age of 17, when he was transferred from the Nazi labor service to the "Frundsberg" tank division, which was part of the Weapons SS.
When asked why he has taken so long to disclose his former membership in the SS, the writer responded: "It weighed heavily on my mind. My silence over all these years is one of the reasons I have written this book."
In the FAZ interview, the author says that although he volunteered for military service, "it was not for the Weapons SS, but for submarines, which was just as crazy." But the Nazis' submarine units had stopped accepting new recruits by then, whereas the Weapons SS, says Grass, was taking "whatever they could get" in 1944 and 1945, during the last few months of the war.
As the Nobel laureate recalls, "the fewer intact air fields there were, the more ground personnel was placed in army of Weapons SS units. It was the same situation in the navy." At first, says Grass, he saw the Weapons SS as an elite unit, and not as something "repulsive." It wasn't until later that he became plagued by feelings of guilt. "For me, the whole thing was always tied to this question: Could you have realized what was going one at the time?"
Grass says he has always known that the day would come when he would have to talk about this part of his past. Did he miss the right opportunity to discuss his SS membership? "I don't know," says the author and poet. "It's certainly the case that I believed that what I did as a writer was enough. After all, I went through my learning process and reached my own conclusions. But there was still this lingering blemish."
More amusing than sensational is Grass's recollection of a boy named Joseph, with whom he spent time in a prisoner-of-war camp. When asked whether this 17-year-old was in fact the man who became Pope Benedict XVI, Grass says: "He became my friend and we played dice together. I had managed to smuggle my dice shaker into the camp. (...) I wanted to be an artist and he was interested in a career in the church. He seemed a little shy, but he was a nice guy."
Like Grass, Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, was in fact imprisoned at Germany's Bad Aibling camp. Whether the Vatican will comment on Grass's recollections remains to be seen.
Om Frundsberg.
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Sen är det intressant att se att dom var inblandade i "Marketgarden"... och att domArea of operations
France (Jan 1943 - Mar 1944)
Eastern front, southern sector (Mar 1944 - Apr 1944)
Poland (Apr 1944 - June 1944)
France (June 1944 - Sep 1944)
Belgium & Netherlands (Sep 1944 - Oct 1944)
Western Germany (Oct 1944 - Feb 1945)
Northeastern Germany (Feb 1945 - Mar 1945)
Eastern Germany & Czechoslovakia (Mar 1945 - May 1945)
Denna div fick en hel del stryk. Herr Grass har fått se sin beskärda del av Äventyr skulle jag tro.......10 to 12 May, 1945: Division's remnants attempt unsuccessful reassembly, and disband on their own in an effort to make their way west individually. A number of survivors, who are not captured by either Soviet or Czech forces enroute, surrendur to the US 102nd Infantry Division at Tangermünde, on the Elbe River.
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